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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1984-0558.Canning et al.85-07-05180 DUNDAS STREET WEST. TORONTO. ONTARIO M5G 1Z8 -SUITE 2100 Between Before TO THE PARTIES MAY APPEAR IN THE PRINTED MINOR TYPOGRAPHICAL CHANGES COPY TO BE DISTRIBUTED LATER. REGISTRAR IN THE MATTER OF AN ARBITRATION Under THE CROWN EMPLOYEES COLLECTIVE BARGAINING ACT For the Grievors For the Employer Hearing Before OPSEU (D. W. Canning, et al) and The Crown in Right of Ontario (Ministry of Government Services) G. Brent Vice Chairman K. O’Neil . Member W. D. Shuttleworth Member R. Anand Counsel Jack, Harris, Anand Barristers and Solicitors P. D. Van Horne Manager, Staff Relations Ministry of Government Services February 6th, 1984 TELEPHONE: 416/598-0688 558/84 Grievor Employer 2 There are eight classification grievances (Ex.1) before the board, all dated June 5, 1984, and each claiming that the particular grievor is improperly classified as Real Estate Officer 2 and should be reclassified as A.M. 17. The grievances all allege improper classification pursuant to Article 5.1 of the collective agreement and section 18(2) of the Crown Employees Collective Bargaining Act. The Employer has raised only one preliminary objection, which goes to the Board's jurisdiction to grant the remedy sought by the grievors because the classification claimed is in the Management Compensation Plan (hereinafter referred to as MCP). The Real Estate Officer 2 classification is a classification within the "traditional classification" system, and it is agreed that the grievors are all employees within the meaning of the Crown Employees Collective Bargaining Act, R.S.O. 1980, Chap. 108. (hereinafter referred to as the Act) and are all bargaining unit members. Before setting out the positions taken by the parties, it may be useful to relate the history of the grievances which are before us and how they came to be before this Board at this time. In 1983 the grievors filed identical grievances which were processed through the grievance procedure and filed with the Board to be set down for hearing (GSB File 334/83). The Employer questioned the Board's jurisdiction and the Registrar of the Board communicated this to the grievors by letter and forwarded to them the interim decision rendered in Patrick & Baker (GSB File 547/80). Following receipt of that letter the grievors indicated to the Employer that they accepted that this Board lacked jurisdiction to deal with their grievances and that the matter should be brought before the Public Service Classification Rating Committee (hereinafter referred to as the Committee). The Employer notified the 3 grievors that it was taking the position that the Committee lacked jurisdiction to deal with the matter. On March 22, 1984 a hearing was held by the Committee and a decision was rendered on May 16, 1984 (File C-858/84). That decision sets out the history of this case in greater detail than we have and should be referred to if a more detailed account of the background of this case is desired. In determining that it lacked jurisdiction to hear the matter the Committee said the following, at pages 11 to 13 of its decision: ....... Throughout the whole proceeding there is no evidence that these grievors felt frustrated in that they were denied natural justice. Their counsel made it clear he represented them and not the Union. He said they agreed they were members of the bargaining unit and that their status was not an issue. As management and the grievors were agreed no contrary argument could be made to the Tribunal. Clearly they had no desire to go there. Likewise, they personally agreed by signing the letter of August 9th ... that the Grievance 'Settlement Board lacked jurisdiction. It was only after they personally took this action that the Union withdrew the grievance. Therefore, we must conclude, that neither management nor the Union combined against them to deny them justice. In essence, the procedure provided under Articles 27 and 5 of the Collective Agreement was not waived by anyone. The grievors simply decided not to follow that route. In so doing they failed to distinguish between the Grievance Settlement Board's clear jurisdiction to decide if they were improperly classified and its lack of jurisdiction to grant the remedy sought i.e. reclassification into the Management Compensation Plan. Now they wish this Committee to assume jurisdiction to do both things to declare they are improperly classified and to grant the reclassification requested. As already stated, the Brown decision is clearly based on the actions of the parties preventing Ms. Brown from having her 'day in court' either before the Tribunal or the Grievance Settlement Board. Here it was the grievors themselves, albeit with the concurrence of the Ministry, who readily agreed neither to have status determined by the Tribunal nor improper classification by the Grievance 4 Settlement Board. They cannot now be heard to say, as Ms. Brown was able to do, that they have been denied their 'day in court'. They agreed that there was nothing for the Tribunal to decide as they considered themselves members of the bargaining unit. They also agreed that they could not gainreclassificationas requested so didnot go to the Grievance Settlement Board. It is our view that the grievors should have proceeded to the Grievance Settlement Board. Both Section 19(1) of The Crown Employees Collective Bargaining Act and the provisions of the Collective Agreement empowered the Board to decide if they were improperly classified. If it had decided they were properly classified the grievance would have been dismissed on its merits. If it had decided the opposite, it might well have said, as it did in 547/80, Patrick and Baker, The best solution to an apparent impasse seems to us to be that the parties be directed to meet to prepare an appropriate c 1 ass if i ca t ion which recognizes the lesser responsibilities (here, maybe greater) resting upon the grievors. In conclusion, we again emphasize our comments in the Lansey decision already quoted. The respective routes for resolution of grievances by members of the bargaining unit and those outside the unit, are, in our view, clearly defined. Those in the bargaining unit must follow the provisions of the Collective Agreement and the others the procedure provided in Regulation 881 under the Public Service Act. It is accordingly our decision that we have no jurisdiction to entertain this grievance so it is dismissed. Following that decision the grievances which are before us were filed. The parties agreed that because the issue of remedy is fundamental to the matter they would seek a ruling from the Board before determining how to proceed. Both of the parties made detailed submissions to the Board in which they included the facts on which they would be relying; as a consequence, we will set out their submissions in much greater detail than usual. 5 Submissions It is the Union's position that because this Board has jurisdiction to determine whether or not the grievors are wrongly classified it should also have jurisdiction to order that they be classified properly, either within the MCP or in the alternative to an equivalent classification. We have been referred to two decisions of this Board: Hooper (GSB File 47/77 - Supplementary Award) and Patrick & Baker (GSB File 547/80 - Preliminary Award). The Union asserts that the former is correct and should be followed; and that the latter is distinguishable on its own reasoning in cases where grievances are filed under the Act, should be regarded as having been decided per incuriam because it is based on several fundamental misunderstandings about the nature of classification systems, and is wrong in law. It is the Union's position that questions of classification of jobs and the determination of the inclusion in and exclusion from the bargaining unit are fundamentally different. It asserts that the idea of excluded or included classifications is really an internally inconsistent concept and that while, as a matter of fact, some classifications may be occupied only by persons who are excluded from the bargaining unit or only by those included in the bargaining unit, such a result is an accident. It points out that the Act in defining "employee" in section 1(1)(f) and "person employed in a managerial or confidential capacity" in section 1(1)(1) makes no reference to classification. It also argues that in determining whether or not a person should be included in or excluded from the bargaining unit the Ontario Public Service Labour Relations Tribunal (henceforth referred to as the Tribunal) ignores classification. It says this is because classification decisions are made using different criteria than those 6 used to determine status. The Union asserts that the parties have the ability to mold the contours of the bargaining unit and refers us to the discussion in Zuibrycki (GSB File 100/76). In the case before us the parties have agreed that the grievors are employees, that is, that their positions are included in the bargaining unit. In that case there was also agreement concerning the status of the person. The Union submits that any position within the service of the Government of Ontario is a collection of specific duties and responsibilities assigned to an individual who performs them. It further submits that classifications are generalized levels of work based upon compensable factors and that positions are then allocated to classifications and wage rates attached to the classifications. It says that when the Tribunal looks at questions of status it looks at the persons or positions alone. The Union explained that until the late 1970's there was only one system of classification used to classify all positions, whether in or out of the bargaining unit. That was the situation when the Hooper case (supra) was decided. Beginning in the mid 1970's a new and more modern system, MCP, was instituted, and some classifications were gradually moved over to that system. The process of moving classifications to MCP is still occurring. MCP was described to us as a "sub set of the traditional system". It was said that both systems can be called "grade description systems" in that positions are compared to those above and below them, but that neither is a "pure grade description system" in that positions cannot be located in a single hierarchy. MCP is said to be somewhat more simplified than the traditional system in that it has a relatively small 7 number of series. There are five modules in MCP - Technical, Administrative, Clerical, Operational, and Professional - and there are about twenty-three levels in each module. In the traditional system there are nine categories which correspond to those modules. Counsel for the Union drew the between the two systems: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. Traditional modified grading system categories occupation a1 groups titles and numbers class standards more generalized than MCP with some typical positions set out unrelated to exclusion criteria compensable factors are complexity, variety, etc. and are consistent only within a class series classification is not negotiated - the employer creates 1. 2. 3. 4. following table of comparisons modified grading system but purer more simplified system than traditional modules o ccupational groups abbreviated titles and numbers evaluation standards set out typical positions 5. unrelated to exclusion criteria 6. purer system of compensable factors than traditional system 7. classification is not negotiated - the employer creates The Union pointed out to us that there are classifications which contain some positions which are in the bargaining unit and some which are out of the bargainingunit. It says that the Employer has created some parallel classes and class standards which indicate that the content of the classification is identical to another one. By way of example the Union produced three documents (Exs. 3, 4 & 5) dealing with Accounting Supervisor 1 (Bargaining Unit), Clerk 7, General (Bargaining Unit) and Correctional Officer 4 (Bargaining Unit) respectively. Those 8 are examples of classifications which refer to another classification as being identical; namely, 20230 Accounting Supervisor 1, 51012 Clerk 7, General and 50567 Correctional Officer 4. Those identical classifications all contain positions which are excluded from the bargaining unit. The Union also produced a document entitled "CLASS STANDARDS - EXCLUDED CATEGORY PUBLIC SERVICE" (Ex. 6) which contains the following explanation on page 1: The Excluded Category is composed of positions where the duties of the position are such that the most appropriate classification would be a bargainingunit class, but the position meets the criteria for exclusion from the Bargaining Unit as contained in Section 1 of the Crown Employees Collective Bargaining Act. The Excluded Category positions are classified separately, and the Employer has created classifications for those positions even though they are positions which would be more appropriate in bargaining unit classifications. It was the Employer's choice to create these new classifications even though there were classifications available into which the positions could have been placed and designated as excluded. The Union submitted that if there were a classification which has been treated by the Employer as containing only excluded positions without a parallel classification in the bargaining unit and the Union successfully applied to the Tribunal for the inclusion of one of those positions, then the parties would be faced with the situation of having a bargaining unit employee for whom there was no negotiated rate of pay. By virtue of the status determination one would have a bargaining unit employee who was properly classified but for whom no rate of pay has been negotiated because the classification had heretofore been occupied only by positions which were foreign to the bargaining unit. The Union 9 submits that that is precisely the situation which the grievors would find themselves in if they were to succeed in their classification grievance because their status is not in dispute, and if they were successful they would be bargaining unit employees who would be in a classification for which no rate of pay had been negotiated because they would be the first bargaining unit employees to be so classified. The Union submits that the Employer could still elect to keep MCP free of bargaining unit positions by creating a parallel classification within the traditional system which was the equivalent of the MCP classification. The parties could then negotiate the appropriate rate of pay for the new classification in any event. The Union says that it is not asking this Board to award the grievors the AM 17 rate if they are successful because this Board's jurisdiction only goes to the classification and not the determination of the appropriate rate of pay. The Union also pointed out to the Board that there are many persons whose positions are classified under MCP but who are treated as bargaining unit members by the Employer by having Union dues deducted from their pay. To this end itproduced a computerprintout (Ex. 7) to show that the system could accommodate bargaining unit members being classified under MCP. It was agreed that the list (Ex. 7) shows bargaining unit members who are temporarily acting in positions classified under MCP. Before the Union had finished making its submissions, the Employer made some remarks to the Board concerning facts which the Union had referred to. Those remarks will be set out now before the remainder of the Union argument is recorded. The Employer indicated to the Board that it had established two different classification systems with one for included positions and the other (MCP) for excluded positions. It 10 filed before us the following extract form the Ontario Manual of Administration (Ex. 9) : POSITION EVALUATION, MANAGEMENT COMPENSATION PLAN Management Compensation The Management compensation Plan is Plan : a classification system which utilizes benchmark factor comparisons in evaluating positions. An allocation can be made to a class level only where the class level has been established and is exemplified by a benchmark. Inclusion Criteria: Included in the Management Compensation Plan are those positions that meet the: exclusion criteria of the Crown Employees Collective Bargaining Act; and inclusion criteria of the groups established in the Management Compensation Plan. Management Compensation The methods of evaluation used in Plan, Methods classifying a position in the - of Position Evaluation Management Compensation Plan are: . direct benchmark comparison; . bracketing; and . referencing. Direct Benchmark Comparison: In direct benchmark comparison, allocation of the position is made against one benchmark. The evaluation method is : a) Module Selection: determining the most appropriate module on a best fit basis by comparing: the nature of the position's job function and its duties and responsibilities to the module definitions; and 11 . the skills required for the position with the modules' skill base; b) Group Selection: determine the most appropriate group on a best fit basis within the module selected by reviewing: the groups' definitions; and their inclusion/exclusion criteria; Although there was no significant disagreement about the facts relied on by the Union, the Employer did, make some other qualifying remarks with which the Union did not take issue. In reference to the parallel classifications referred to by the Union where the bargaining unit position refers to another classification as being identical, and using the Correctional Officer 4 (Bargaining Unit) (Ex. 5) as an example, the Employer indicated that in the mid 1970's that was a management classification under the traditional system. Under MCP, and provided that the position met the exclusion criteria, that position was classified as OM 14. It was recognized that some ofthe Correctional Officers 4 did not meet the exclusion criteria and so should not be excluded from the bargaining unit; therefore, the Employer assigned those positions to the Correctional Officer 4 (Bargaining Unit) classification; only those which met the exclusion criteria were assigned the OM 14 classification in MCP. During the transition from the old system to MCP there were other similar anomalies discovered which were dealt with in that way and which resulted in parallel classifications. The Employer also pointed out that there are positions which are 12 excluded from the bargaining unit not because they are managerial but because of the nature of their duties. Those positions are dealt with in Exhibit 6. For example, the Clerk 3 General is a bargaining unit position, but there are people in that position who deal with confidential personnel matters and so must be excluded from the bargaining unit. Those people do not come under MCP, but they are compensated according to a separate excluded salary scale. The parties were agreed that there is no position in the MCP classification which has been declared to be included in the bargaining unit or which the parties have agreed is in the bargaining unit. The Union relied heavily on the Hooper decision (supra) which it asserts dealt with the same facts as those which are before us. It said that that case recognized that classification was distinct from the determination of employee status and that an order to reclassify does not take a person out of the bargaining unit. It further submitted that the case recognized that the Board's jurisdiction to determine whether an employee is properly classified is a statutory right in addition to any rights which may be found in the collective agreement, and the decision to classify a position in a classification that is currently under the MCP system could be dealt with through the creation of a separate equivalent classification within the MCP system or in the traditional system. The Union views MCP as a unilaterally implemented classification system which the Employer seeks to restrict to management personnel and does not see anything in the system which precludes any employee from claiming that his position is more properly classified under one of the MCP classifications. In relation to Patrick & Baker (supra) the Union submits that the grievances there were brought under the collective agreement alone and 13 not under the Act. Referring to pages 8 and 9 of the preliminary award the Union asserts that the essence of the reasoning is to be found there and that that reasoning cannot apply to grievances brought under the Act. It asserts that in Re Attorney-General for Ontario and Keeling et - al. (19801, 30 O.R.(2d) 662 (Div'l Ct.) the Court recognized that s. 18 of the Act provides individual employees with rights which are in addition to and independent of the collective agreement and which cannot be derogated from by the collective agreement. The Union argues that while the collective agreement may restrict the Board to regarding classifications where salary has been negotiated, it cannot affect the employees' right under s. 18 of the Act. The Union also said that when the Patrick & Baker case is read closely it reveals that the Board was under a fundamental misunderstanding as to the nature of a classification system and a misunderstanding of the Hooper decision. It says that there is no reason why a grievance under the collective agreement should be restricted to classifications where salary has been negotiated, because a classification for which no salary has been negotiated is not necessarily the same thing as an excluded position. The Union also relied on Re Ontario Public Service Employees Union and the Crown in right of Ontario et al. (19831, 44 O.R.(2d) 51 (Div'l Crt.) as holding that the collective agreement does not limit the operation of s. 18 of the Act. The Union also referred us to two decisions of the Supreme Court of Canada: Canada Labour Relations Board and Nauss et al., [19831 1 S.C.R. 245 and Teamsters Union, Local 938 et al. v. Massicotte et a1 (19821, 82 C.L.L.C. 12,984 which dealt with remedial powers of specialized 14 tribunals. The Union asks us to give s. 18 of the Act a purposive definition given our wide remedial powers. It says that that is what is needed in this case, where the effect of the Employer's submission is that the grievors will have a right without a remedy. The Employer asserts that when the extract from the Manual of Administration (Ex. 9) is read it is clear that MCP is a system which contains no position which is in the bargaining unit. It also says that the so-called parallel classifications such as the Correctional Officer 4 are the results of situations where some previously excluded positions classified under the traditional classification system were later deemed to be included in the bargaining unit and were not classified as OM 14 under MCP. The Employer takes the position that decisions as to status of employees, that is whether they will be included in or excluded from the bargaining unit, are solely the decisions of the Tribunal. It says that if a position within the AM 17 classification were taken to the Tribunal and found to be included in the bargaining unit then it would respond by creating a parallel or equivalent level classification in the bargaining unit to deal with the situation. The Employer says that the grievors are not without a remedy within the current bargaining unit classification system. It says that the Board may find that the grievors should be properly classified in another series within the bargaining unit classifications. It says that any classification within the traditional system would be available to the grievors if they were improperly classified, and there would be no need to look beyond the traditional system into MCP. It says that the Committee in its decision (supra) found that the Board had jurisdiction to reclassify the grievors if they were improperly classified, but not 15 to award the remedy which was being sought. In relation to the Hooper decision, the Employer points out that the only alternative available to the Board was a PO3 classification, which was a management classification under the traditional system. The Board there was not dealing with MCP but with the traditional system in which both management and bargaining unit personnel could be found in the same class series because there was only one system available. Further, the position was an atypical position, which the Employer asserts is an additional reason for not following the Hooper decision. It is the Employer's assertion that before MCP bargaining unit employees could progress within a class series such as Correctional Officer and remain in the bargaining unit until a certain level (in the case of Correctional Officers, C.O. 4) at which they would be excluded from the bargaining unit. That "ladder" approach was still in effect at the time of the Hooper decision. Since MCP the Correctional Officer is in the bargaining unit and progresses out of the bargaining unit after the CO 3 level to the OM 14 classification. The Employer asserts that Patrick Baker deals with the same issues as those before the Board and also deals with the MCP system. There a bargaining unit employee was also claiming reclassification into a classification under MCP. It also says that in Patrick & Baker the Board said that it did not consider that the result would be any different if the grievance had been brought under s. 18 of the Act. The Employer also informed us that there was an application for judicial review pending in the Patrick & Baker case. The Employer says that it has been clear to the parties that bargaining unit employees do not have access to MCP classifications. It 16 says that if bargaining unit employees had access to MCP positions an administrative nightmare would result and it would take several years to sort out the intention of the parties. It says that much more strife would be created in an issue which had already been resolved by Patrick & Baker. The Employer also argues that in Lansey (GSB File 419/82) it was found that the Board lacked jurisdiction in matters dealing with the filling of vacancies outside the bargaining unit and that there is a parallel to the situation before us. It says that just as bargaining unit employees cannot grieve regarding the filling of management positions, they should not have access to MCP, which is reserved for management positions. The Employer submitted that it has been its clear intention to establish a classification system which is exclusively for members of management and that the Union is trying to upset that classification system and the system presently in place. It asserts that the Union is trying to move into an area of determination which is made exclusively by the Tribunal and that to find that the Board had jurisdiction to award the remedy sought would be to throw the current classification system, the Tribunal, and management's rights into serious disarray, as well as adversely affecting the relationship between the parties. The Union's reply was that calamity was predicted in Hooper. It says that there would be no greater inconvenience to the Employer if the employee claimed the MCP classification than there presently exists in the case of the parallel classifications. It would be up to the Employer to choose whether it wished to keep the MCP free of bargaining unit personnel and to create the appropriate classification for the grievors if they were successful. It says that it is simply asking that 17 there be no impediment to its ability to try to show that the best fit for the work done by the grievors is a classification other than the one they are now in. Reasons We accept the general proposition that there is a distinction between a person's job classification on the one hand and status under the Act on the other. Quite clearly we have absolutely no jurisdiction to determine the status of any person since that is a function which is reserved for the Tribunal. We do have jurisdiction under s. 18(2) of the Act and the collective agreement to consider whether an employee's position has been improperly classified. In the case before us everyone is agreed that the grievors are employees under the Act, and it is clear that their grievances allege that they have been improperly classified. Further, everyone concerned seems to agree that we have jurisdiction to determine whether or not the grievors are improperly classified. Clearly the Employer has the discretion to create a system of job classification which is reserved exclusively for persons who are excluded from the bargaining unit. The fact that a person does a job which is classified according to that classification system does not mean that the person is by reason of that fact alone excluded from the bargaining unit. If the person's status were to be challenged, the Tribunal would still have to examine the situation and determine status. Should the Tribunal determine that the person was an employee under the Act, the Employer would then have to determine how it was going to react to a situation where it had an employee whose job was classified according to a system which it wanted to reserve for those who were not considered to be employees. It is, of course, possible to definebargainingunits in terms of 18 employee classifications so that a claim to be classified in a classification other than that set out as part of the bargaining unit is in fact a claim to be removed from the bargaining unit. This bargaining unit is not so defined. Had the parties defined the bargaining unit in that way, then the Employer's arguments would have been more persuasive. In this case Article 1.1 of the collective agreement defines the bargaining unit as follows: In accordance with The Crown Employees Collective Bargaining Act, the Ontario Public Service Employees Union is recognized as the exclusive collective bargaining agent for all public servants other than persons who are not employees within the meaning of clause f of subsection 1 of Section 1 of The Crown Employees Collective Bargaining Act. The Act provides the following definitions in section l(1): (f) "employee" means a Crown employee as defined in the Public Service Act but does not include, .......... (iii) a person employed in a managerial or confidential capacity, .......... (1) "person employed in a managerial or confidential capacity" means a person who, (i) is employed in a position confidential to the Lieutenant Governor, a Minister of the Crown, a judge of a provincial court, the deputy head of a ministry of the Government of Ontario or the chief executive officer of any agency of the Crown, (ii) is involved in the formulation of organization objectives and policy in relation to the development and administration of programs of the Government or an agency of the Crown or in the formulation of budgets of the Government or an agency of the Crown, 19 (iii) spends a significant portion of his time in the supervision of employees, (iv) is required by reason of his duties or responsibilities to deal formally on behalf of the employer with a grievance of an employee, (v) adjudicates or determines claims for compensation which are made pursuant to the provisions of any statute, (vi) is employed in a position confidential to any person described in subclause (i), (ii), (iii), (iv) or (v), (vii) is employed in a confidential capacity in matters relating to employee relations including a person employed in a clerical, stenographic or secretarial position in the Civil Service Commission or in a personnel office in a ministry or agency of the Government of Ontario or, (viii) is not otherwise described in subclauses (i) to (vii) but who in the opinion of the Tribunal should not be included in a bargaining unit by reason of his duties and responsibilities to the employer; It would be unrealistic topretend that there is no relationship between the classification and status under the Act. Both are dependent upon the job or work which is done, but in each case the job is examined using different criteria and for different purposes. Leaving aside those people who are excluded from the status of employee because of the confidential nature of their work, there are people excluded from the status of employee because their jobs involve those duties set out in s. l(l)(l)(ii), (iii), (iv) and (v). The job descriptions and classifications in which those people are placed will reflect the very duties and responsibilities which were also relied on to determine their 20 status. If a bargaining unit employee claimed the same classification as the excluded person, then, assuming that the status of everyone involved was properly determined, it might be unusual for such a claim to succeed. However, where the bargaining unit employee could show that he did the same work as the excluded person who occupied the classification claimed, or that his work was virtually identical to that done by those who occupied the classification, or that it was virtually identical to the work of the classification claimed, or that the core functions of his job fit within the classification claimed, in other words if he could meet the test for reclassification into the classification claimed, then the claim would have to succeed. In any event, we consider that the bargaining unit employee is entitled to have us adjudicate the claim which he is making. We consider that the reasoning in the Hooper case is persuasive in that it differentiates, correctly in our view, between questions of classification and those of status. We do not consider that the fact that the Employer's MCP classification system was not yet in existence changes the rationale of the Hooper case because the Employer was taking essentially the same position there which it takes before us today, that is, that there are some classifications which it has reserved exclusively for non-bargaining unit personnel. As stated earlier, we consider that the Employer's action in creating the MCP classification system for management positions is one which is clearly within its prerogative as an employer, and there is nothing which we can or would wish to do to interfere with that exercise of discretion. The creation of such a system does not mean either that the Employer has properly classified the grievors, or that in the 21 classification that the grievors claim the Employer has in fact created a classification exclusively limited to management personnel. It is our jurisdiction under s. 18 of the Act and under the collective agreement to determine whether the grievors are properly classified. Given that the thrust of the decisions concerning the exercise of our jurisdiction under s. 18(2) is that it confers rights on employees which are in addition to those under the collective agreement, we consider that those rights under s. 18(2)(a) must include the right to give an appropriate remedy if the grievors can show that they are improperly classified. In granting an appropriate remedy, we cannot affect their status, but we can order that they be reclassified into the proper classification, whatever they can show that to be. It is therefore theoretically possible that the grievors could show that they should be properly classified in the AM 17 classification and that we could so award. If the Employer wished to establish a new and distinct classification for bargaining unit employees equivalent to the AM 17 classification of a management job in order to keep the MCP system free of employees, then it could do so. We could also award that the grievors should be reclassified into some other classification outside of the MCP system if that were the most appropriate determination based on the facts before us. We do not consider that our determination of remedy should be limited by an assertion that a particular system, in which the classification sought is found, is not used or intended to be used to classify jobs in the bargaining unit when we have before us employees who claim that they do the work of that classification, who are still employees, and who claim to be improperly classified. We should point out that we have no idea yet what the substance of the dispute between the parties is. That is, we do not know whether the 22 Employer is taking the position that the grievors are properly classified or that they are improperly classified but should be reclassified in something other than the classification which is claimed. Whatever the nature of the dispute, if the Employer wishes to make submissions that some classification other than AM 17 is more appropriate in this case, then we will consider those submissions when formulating a remedy if we find that the grievors are improperly classified. DATED AT LONDON, ONTARIO THIS 5th DAY OF July , 1985. G. Brent, Vice-chairman K. O'Neill, Member /